Total garbage. This is my first try on 'reformulated' Ecosoya. The tops are wet, is this what other reviewers are referring to as 'smooth tops'? Wet tops, blemishes, and worse of all, any scent sweats up and onto the top. After burning, and really they need a small twig to get a burn going, the liquified Ecosoya displays a huge bloom of frost all over the inside of the glass, unsightly and not at all beautiful. Pouring hotter does nothing to remedy problems. Pellets melt slowly and form a glob. Melted Ecosoya is harder to control, drips ooze everywhere, not from my pouring technique .... been creating quality candles for years. One batch had sinkholes at the wick. Thicker heavier wicks still tunnel, you end up with half the Ecosoya attached to glass as the candle tunnels it's way to the bottom. Color is off, not a light creamy soy, rather a dull yellowed pellet. The stuff SMELLS AWFUL, stinky vinegar odor, that is NOT masked by scent load. Overall, this is a LOSER, pure and utter garbage. Tried mixing with my GOOD old version Ecosoya, the 'new reformulated' ruins the old soy version and there you go with another batch of unsellable candles. Sooo glad I didn't order 40lbs, and yes, you are paying MORE for purchasing 10lbs less than the older version. Happy holidays, avoid this wax, move on to another, Ecosoya does NOT have their act together. CandleScience seems aware of these issues, pull the product, you are going to have unhappy purchasers on this junk, please CandleScience .... people spend alot of money on these products, offering this is negligent. One Star is the lowest this rating system goes. I give this Ecosoya Q210 zero stars, as in NONE.

I am ready to give up with this wax. The first time I started making candles I used this wax (before they reformulated). I really lucked out because it was amazing and I didn't have to go through all the troubles that 1st-time candle makers have to go through with experimenting. When it came back out again I bought Q210 right away. It's nothing like it was but I have so much of it. Every wick I use in it mushrooms. I've tried CandlesScience's suggestion to use LX24. Better burn but still mushrooms. Now I see these recent reviews that everyone loves it now? Has it changed in the recent months because I can't get any cold throw and I hate how it burns? I still have a lot of this wax and I don't produce enough to just get rid of it. I need suggestions on what these users who love it are doing. My candle making experience has gone backward.

If not this was, what was is near perfect like the old Eco Q210 was?

I was really frustrated with Golden 464 because I could rarely get a smooth top and I would get sink holes, bubbles, etc. These however are effortless smooth tops every time and the texture, consistency, and overall physical appearance of the wax in candle form is just smooth and stunning. Rich colors, burns nicely. They do sink in a bit towards the wick when dry, so it’s not completely flat, but it is smooth and I am pleased. Glass adhesion is okay, not much different than golden from what I can tell. Overall this wax looks much more like a soy candle should look like than the 464 golden. Never using that again.

I still somewhat of a beginner at this whole thing, but I found this wax very easy to work with. Pouring at 135-140 gets the best results, especially in tins. I never had any frosting when pouring at that temperature.

The cold throw is fairly weak at first, but once it goes past 3-4 days it is VERY strong. I find the hot throw takes much longer. I wait at least a week, maybe two before I consider putting it out for sale.

As will soy wax, the longer you wait, the better it gets. Just let it sit for a week and try it again if it's not very strong.

I have found the recommended pour temps to be way off. I have used Ecosoya (before the reformulation) almost my entire candlemaking career. It is a wonderful wax, but you do need to find the proper temps (the recommendation is completely wrong!). For my environment, pouring at 135 is perfect. I almost never have frosting. The cold throw gets stronger the longer it cures starting at 24 hours. Good hot throw does need at least a week. I love this wax and it is definitely worth the extra cost. If you are having issues with Golden Wax 464, try this wax. This wax is a little harder to work with compared to other brands but it has just to do with finding the perfect temps.

I have just used this wax for the first time. My candle tops are totally smooth, not grainy, no sink holes as with 464 and 415. I heated wax to 185 degrees and poured at 160. As for the vinegar smell, it was very faint and once the wax is melted you cannot smell it at all. I will review cold and hot throw and wicks in three weeks when they have cured, but I am totally thrilled with the smooth tops.

DLM
11/9/18

Like a lot of others, i was super worried after i ordered this wax and then began reading through the reviews here about the performance of this wax and the smell.

The concern has been unfounded, we're getting lovely results with this wax. It has performed well so far with every fragrance we've poured, getting excellent cold and hot throw, and it's probably the easiest, most forgiving wax I've ever poured.

We're sending at between 9-11.5% Most of our fragrances are seeing excellent cold throw as little as 24 hours after pour. I did a wick test with one candle the day after the pour and the hot throw on that particular scent was already pretty good. We tested again at 10 days and both cold and hot throw on every fragrance were fantastic.

The wax pours great and seems to be pretty forgiving. We've tested pours at 170, 160, 150 and 140 and so far have found that we haven't had issues at any of these temps. no frosting, no sweating, no wet spots or adhesion issues. It seems to have a lot of flexibility compared to any other wax I've ever used.

As for the sour smell. The way people have been reviewing this wax, I was expecting to be blown back by an unbearable smell of distilled white vinegar when I opened the box. The odor from the wax is actually incredibly minimal. I had to stick my head in the box to detect it. It does have a mild acidic smell. It isn't even particularly unpleasant. (To me it kind of smells like a donut shop.) the odor is at it's strongest when then wax reaches 185, and on the first melt i was a little concerned at how much of the odor there was. but once the wax is scented and cooled there is no trace of it in the finished candles, either cold or while burning. In short i've found the concern to be overblown, for us at least.

There was some testing and mild reformulating we had to do, but the end result is an easier pour that produces gorgeous candles with excellent throw. We're quite pleased.

I know that I reviewed this wax a few months back and gave it glowing reviews and 5 stars, however, after continuing to work with the Q-210 as I have poured my Fall candle collection, I just HAD to review it once again...Why...??? Because I really, really want everyone to know how WONDERFUL this wax is!!!

When I initially began using this wax back in February'ish, I followed the manufactures and Candle Sciences directions and melted to 185 +/- 5 degrees and poured around 170 degrees...I admit, it was good, and overall I was happy with the results, cold and hot throw were good... No complaints...

Since then I have done a couple of things differently and I am really glad that I did.

The first thing I did was I bought a Presto Wax Melting Pot off of Etsy...This allows me to control the temperature more closely than when I was previously melting it in the microwave, which would sometimes result in overheating...

Secondly after doing some reading on another soy wax sellers site, I saw that they were recommending that *their* soy wax be heated to about 160 degrees, and letting it cool to 130 degrees then add fragrance, stir gently and the pour around 115 degrees...Since their soy wax was also a soy/botanical oil blend, I got to wondering why their instructions were so different than the ones here on CS so I decided to try pouring the Q-210 following the *other* websites instructions just to see what would happen.

I am so happy that I did, as it produced, in my opinion, a much better result than when following the instructions here on CS...(Sorry CS)...

Here are some things that I have noticed as a result of following the method on the *other* website...

Using the Presto Pot and heating the Q-210 to 160 degrees did NOT overheat the wax, and *the fragrance oil incorporated into the wax fully even at 130-35 degrees*

I found that pouring into my Mason jars at between 115 and 120 degrees, and letting them completely alone overnight, I had virtually NO wet spots.

Tops were smooth and even.

Cold throw was wonderful within 24 hours after pouring, and after I put the lids on them and let them continue to cure, the cold throw has only gotten stronger and stronger.

The hot throw...After 2 weeks I began burn tests...Most of the fragrances burned strong, but some needed just a little bit longer before they really kicked out a nice strong fragrance. *I have found that the longer they cure the stronger the hot throw*...The ones I am testing right now I poured about a month and a half ago and they fill my entire house, so the hot throw is wonderful!!!

I have also noticed the by melting to the 160 degrees, the Q-210 does not turn that sickly looking peach, flesh color that my first sets of candles did when using the microwave to heat it to 185 degrees. Yes, depending on the fragrance oil you are using, it will slightly turn the wax to a creamy ivory, (unless you use Orange Blossom, then it will turn it a very pretty yellow orange, yet if you use Caribbean Teakwood you will not notice any real change in the color of the wax, it will look almost white).

I also use 2.5 oz of fragrance per pound of wax, period... and that produces and nice strong cold and hot throw.

For wicking I have found that I have *EXCELLENT* results with the LX 24 when using the 4 and 8 oz Mason jars, as well as the 6 oz Tins.

I also LOVE how the candle tops re-congeal to a nice smooth top after you blow it out and the wax cools...it makes the candles look real high end as opposed to *another soy wax* I tried that after you blew it out and it cooled, the top was all cratery and full of holes.

I would however STRONGLY emphasize that you allow for a LONG curing period...It really does seem that the longer they cure the better they smell...

I for one will begin my Fall/Holiday collection in the Spring of 2019, just so I have enough time, along with my soap making to get the candles labeled and packed away so they are all ready to September.

The more I continue to use this wax, the more I love it...it is a great wax, and I really wish people would give it a chance...

I have also experienced EXCELLENT results with the Q-230 for my wax melts by following the same melting, fragrance and pouring temps...:) :) :)

As for the loudly complained about vinegar smell of the wax... I have found that when I get the box of wax home, remove the entire bag from the box and place it bag and all into a very large Sterilite storage bin, open the bag and let it air out for a few minutes then put the lid to the bin on it, when I go back to use it it smells just fine...what ***little*** vinegar smell is pretty much gone and I never smell it in the finished product.

I have been nothing but pleased with this wax. I have read all the horrible reviews from prior EcoSoya customers with their complaints about the change in the formula, yada yada. With anything new, you have to test and retest and tweak your process. I have had nothing but beautiful candles with wonderful scent throw. You can’t treat this wax like all other soy wax. It has it’s own set of rules and that’s why we test! I found that that with 210 the manufacturer recommends a higher pour temp. So the standard, heat to 185 F, add scent and pour around 135F formula doesn’t have the best results. They also indicated that with this formula some scents aren’t as strong, so it takes a higher fragrance load. Again, that’s why we test! I have had some wet spots but it’s my own fault for not letting the candles slowly cool down and pouring in a cool glass container. Wet spots don’t bother me. It adds to my candles charm. As far as coloring goes, you have to use the concentrated dyes for vibrant colors. Candlescience liquid dyes work great! I have reordered several times. I find it to be a great container wax! Don’t let the negative reviews discourage you! Just test the product and do the research before you make up your mind!

I am using this as an alternative for my wax tarts because I ran out of my 415 , was not happy with the use for candles. Just did not feel like going through the work of figuring out which wick to use. It is hard when you already have a routine with wicks and wax. It is more of a hobby now even though I get reguest to sell . I will stick to making wax tarts it is less complicated.